Red made the acquaintance of Darron and Jardon in October of 285 AC when Ser Thorne brought them to the mien searching for a lost child. Begrudgingly, Red led the men back into the mine as his men trudged home after a long day. When the three men squeezed through a crack in the mine in their search Red was given his leave by Carsen. A week later Red approached Carsen and produced a crude map of the mine. After questioning his foreman Carsen ordered that the crevice leading to Lynderly land be boarded up.